Whilst of no interest to me personally at this point in time, I think the E-Up would make a good subject for a subscription model if the price were right.
For households with two cars, one of which is “non-essential” and generally picks up duties of local commuting, school run, shopping, popping to friends and can be axed at a months’ notice if circumstances change… I think it could be a useful step in mass adoption.
I think the interior feels a little more alive in the VW range.
Sporty steering wheel, more advance looking dashboard, it at least appears to be a more likeable place to spend some time inside.
Range and slow charging don’t really cause an issue for a big proportion of EV drivers who are using them in inner city’s.
It’s like comparing a Polo to a Clio… you pay for branding and comforts.
I think it could be clever of On.To to use the E-UP instead of ID.3 and skip straight to the ID.4
Maybe the pricing will reflect this decision…
I dont agree with the “slower charging” statement at all when compared to Onto’s ZE40s, as they only have 22kW AC charging. I have done some long trips when i was part of Onto, but that was the main point that made me get rid of the ZE40 to be honest. I had some troubles charging at some particular locations where although they were available chargers these were only CCS/Chademo (instavolt for example)
I 100% agree that the e-up and sibiling CCS charging speeds are a bit too low to put it nicely (I think it’s around 50min for a 10-80%), but when compared to ZE40 this is on par but at least you can connect to CCS when needed.
If the e-up was offered at the correct price, having CCS (although not very fast) at least gives you the peace of mind that in the event of a longer trip, you will be able to connect it to CCS units, which with the ZE40 sometimes was a pain.
I guess that it will all come down to: at what price
e-up from onto would have to be at similar or competitive prices to the original ZE40 £289 kind of thing to make it workable between the low-tech but including charging solutions and all inclusive pricing
I should have clarified that I meant AC. If you have single phase the best you are going to get is 3kW. It’s disappointed many people. Even on 3-Phase you’re not going to get more than 7kW. It does now have CCS and will do 30kW or so from what I have seen. With that in mind, paired with the shorer range I would personally be picking the Zoe as it would be far more versatile.
Haha I won’t say word for word what I was told. But I specifically mentioned ID.3 and their reply was pretty hopeful. I didn’t actually consider the ID.4 to be honest as I see the Kona being the main player in that size and considering they just added the Ultimate version.
As a business, the VW ID.4 would make more sense from the ID range, they could also put the price a little higher than the Kona to offer a premium version at that size point which seems to be the way Onto work when you look at the options by car size.
For what it’s worth, wouldn’t even entertain the E-Up.
I know VW called it an ID.3 because it’s supposedly the third iteration of their world car, but with the ID.4 now appearing, that gives the possibility of an A and/or B segment called the ID.1 and/or ID.2.
We don’t need to quote you, you’ve said it yourself quite clearly in your posts. You realise your future credibility rests on what new vehicle ONTO announce in the next couple of days? I will start a new thread called “The Naughty Step” from where you will have to pronounce all your future utterances until you’ve learned your lesson
I really hope it’s not Porsche and considering how hard it is to even get a mid price car right now they’d be a bit silly go and sign some more top tier models to the fleet when they’d probably get more new customers from more reasonably priced cars.